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Military actions are scrutinized on every scale, especially when the actions of the few affect the future of the many. By now you may know that United States officials have condemned a video displaying U.S. Marines urinating on the bodies of deceased Taliban fighters. The Taliban say the acts will not derail peace talks, but the damage to the U.S. mission may be irreversible.
In case you missed it, the footage in question clearly shows four men in Marine combat uniforms urinating on three dead Taliban fighters. This is evidence of a violation of the U.S. military legal code, as well as the international laws of warfare known as the Geneva Convention.
Here is where the divide in opinion starts to form.
The White House said in a statement that U.S. President Barack Obama agreed with Defense Secretary Leon Panetta’s comments, where he called the Internet video “deplorable” and “reprehensible.” The Associated Press reports that Afghan President Hamid Karzai called the act “completely inhumane” and demanded the U.S. military punish the Marines responsible.
Army Lt. Gen. Curtis Scaparrotti has since ordered mandatory training on handling war casualties for NATO troops in Afghanistan. He stated the actions were a grave breach of laws governing armed conflict and that such actions go against “basic standards of human decency.”
Texas Governor and presidential candidate Rick Perry has said the Obama administration is using extreme rhetoric and that its handling of the Marines shows a disdain for the military. He added that those involved in the incident should be appropriately punished, but charging the Marines with a criminal act doesn’t correspond “kids who made a mistake.”
Political comedian Bill Maher also partially defended what the Marines did and said he thought the outrage was disproportional. Actor and director Rob Reiner agreed with Maher in that he did not condone the actions, but admitted that “these are the kind of things that happen during war.”
In a politically charged atmosphere, the politically correct answer might differ from one’s personal feelings on the subject. For presidential hopefuls like Rick Perry, the line between the two could ultimately determine his long-term success.
While the actions of the few may not affect peace talks, they will certainly damage America’s reputation. As a result, Obama’s plan to increase air power while decreasing ground forces may now be seen in a different light.
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There are no rules when it comes to the “fog of war”….
Obama is quite the Commander In Chief. He can’t stand the people working “under” him. He has no respect for the military and should be voted out of office.
really ?? so you think what they did is acceptable ? and i know for a fact if the president would not respond the way he did you still had something to say !!
Nobody said what they did is acceptable but smack them in the back of the head like would have been done to me for doing something stupid (would have never done that but still) give them an Article 15 and tell them to get back to work. In case you didn’t see the other recent story Mr. Obama didn’t even want to take pictures with soldiers in Iraq.
I agree with you Flyboy lets hope he gets voted out because i am like you he has no respect for our military.
are you fucking stupid, you are so high with soldier being in war and their stress make them do these bullshit. BULLSHIT !!! I am a veteran myself and I have never ever done anything to the locals anything like this sort!! I was an infantry soldier what those mother fuckers did will back fire on the next soldiers going down there. You stupid asshole! REMEMBER AMERICAN FREEDOM STRUGGLES STARTED BECAUSE OF THE BRITISH SOLDIERS ABUSES ON OUR PEOPLE!!!
You clearly weren’t in the same war I was, you ignorant asshole. I am a medical professional AND a patriot…..Trust me, PTSD is REAL and it DOES cause actions like this.
Where was the outrage when Americans were beheaded? Why is the outrage only pointed to our people? I lost 1/2 my platoon in Beirut and to be honest, I’d love to have had the opportunity to piss on some people over there.
Why don’t we ALL stop playing pussyfoot with these cowards who call themselves Taliban. They have no problem beheading on world tv or hanging our boys from a bridge,but the minute 4 Marines make a decision to waste good marine corp urine on these scum everyone gets upset. Too bad this is a war people,did we apologize when we flattened Berlin killing many thousand civilians-no-or should we. If we try to make war civilized everyone would not think twice about going to war.
i understand that we are mad and outraged but that does not give US (united states) the right to act the same way we are better educated and respect human rights. So why downgrade ourselfs the whole world is watching us thats something alot of people dont realize !!!!!!! The president acted the right way
Are you for real-ever been in a fire fight-life and death can make you make bad choices. Not , Oh, we’re better than that.
You and the moron in the White House should be sent over there together for about a year. Maybe you could both learn something.
I AM COMBAT VETERAN MYSELF AND YOU STARTED CALLING NAMES OF A VIETNAM VETERAN A MORON? THINK ABOUT THIS>
Some country declares war on your government just because they’re supporting some nasty killer that killed thousands of people and you pathetic government could not defend themselves, so now your country is invaded, and you’re people are being raped, arrested and put into without a custody or a court, and then you as an honored man your brother start fight for freedom, a month later he is killed along with other freedom fighters, and pissed on their face by the invaders. HOW CAN YOU LOOK AT YOU NEIGHBOR IN THE EYES AND SAY THAT YOU’RE NOT GONNA TAKE REVENGE, AND HOW CAN YOUR NEIGHBORS ACT UP TOO?
Thank GOD America is not a NAZI country and will not tolerate inhumane activities by anyone like those BASTARDS who made it even harder to achieve peace and for our soldiers who out there!! way to support a “incite to war” actions!! Dummy patriot!!
Just wondering HUI, did you feel the same way when the bush administration water boarded people?
Viet Vet 68-69 Skyhifun1
WAY TO GO!! GOD LOVE OUR MARINES In my opinion it was a waist of good American Piss!!
This is why we look so ignorant as a country
Just wondering Ancy_nicky have you been there? Have you seen a friend die in front of you or been shot at yourself? It’s strange how thoughts change when your not a arm chair quarterback.
Just like he bowed to our allies and our enemy’s? Why, USA is one of the super power, but once we start telling everyone, Sorry, we are so sorry. Then it’s time to come home and let the rest of the world find out what our Brave Marines and all the other branches of military service personnel are really doing in combat zones. Not everyone knows what happens at every moment. And, who ever took the pictures, is the stupid media that we can’t afford to have in combat zones. They have us protect them, but it’s their right to put our Marines lives in jeopardy, just for them to get their golden globe award for a certain picture that no one else has. Why not let them take their own pictures, but they have to take their own protection. Not the people trying to fight a war. If they want to put their life in jeopardy, they do it without military protection. If they get killed, that’s up to them. Otherwise, our Presidents should never allow anyone to be behind enemy lines, except the enemy. We wouldn’t have to pick and choose what we shoot at.
RIGHT ON BROTHER. I’M 150% BEHIND YOUR WAY OF THINKING.. NEVER MIND THOSE SOFT HEARTED ASS-HOLE. WHO FORGOT WHAT THE TALIBAN DID TO OUR SERVES MAN AND WOMAN WHO DIE FOR OUR COURSE. WISH WAS TO PROTECT THIS COUNTRY FROM THOSE ANIMAL “TALIBAN FUCKER “.. .. ALL WE’RE TRYING TO DO IS DISBAN THE TALIBAN.. I LIKE THAT “DISBAN THE TALIBAN “. THAT’S GOT A NICE RING TO IT.. I THINK THAT’S A GOOD ONE, I HAVE TO GO , I NEED TO TRY AND FIND ME A TALIBAN . BECAUSE I NEED TO DO PEE PEE… SEMPLE FI TO THE DAY I DIE !!!!
It’s war man. These things happen. Get over it damn. I spent two tours in Iraq and I would have never done anything like that to the enemy, but WTFE it’s WAR
Because of how members of the US military that were killed in battle and secured by the opposing forces and how they treated those casualties were not videoed and shown, we only see what some of our troops done. Yes, it is a distasteful act but being in war myself, I know of a lot worse that the enemy has done to our fallen soldiers in the past.
War is War and cannot be supervised like a basketball game. It should have NOT been videoed but there has been video’s where the enemy has tortured, been made to denounce the United States and even killed a member of our military to make a point.
AS a former Marine on the surface I don’t like it. I think Marines should act above this type of behavior. But also I would like to hear more from the Marines I just feel there is more to the story then just urination!!! Semper Fi
In The NAM, ears were cut off and worn strung as a necklace, The Iraqi’s take heads, the Indians took scalps,and the list goes on. IF YOU AIN’T BEEN THERE, THEN SHUT YOUR MOUTH. I believe that the Marines in question shouldn’t have let the video go on the ‘net’, BUT, believe me, much worse things happen in a comb at zone!!! LEAVE OUR MEN THE HELL ALONE AND LET THEM DO THE JOB THAT THEY WERE SENT TO THAT GOD FORSAKEN LAND TO DO!!!!!!
My thoughts completely! Thank you! People….be on your knees praying for our troops not commenting against them for things that go on
AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO MAKE IT EVEN HARDER FOR THE NEXT SOLDIERS GOING DOWN THERE? ENCOURAGE THEM TO DISRESPECT THE LOCALS AND MAKE MORE ENEMIES? ENCOURAGE THEM TO ACT LIKE NAZI SOLDIERS? JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD TOO MUCH STRETCH? HOW PATHETIC PEOPLE HAVE BECOME IN THE FACE OF THE HUMANITY AND WE ACT AS THE DEFENDING NATION OF FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY?
what the hell is stretch?
What are you the most stupid shit this side of the toilet. They are taliban…they are terrorists…they are not locals…they are the same people that took down the twin towers… urinating is a show of disrespect and damn well should be.
The Vietnam Era has passed. We go into somebody else’s back yard, kill them, and piss on them. I’m a veteran as well but I consider myself a rational human being. The actions by these marines are causing more damage to the soldiers down the line. Why would the Taliban not want revenge for killing there people, pissing on them, and claiming its for freedom when all this is about is our own greedy oil interest.
Could this be the taliban dressing up in uniforms and taking their own propagana pictures and telling the world, SEE, it’s the Marines!
But, I’ve heard stories about things, and later you find out the enemy has played dress up. And, if it’s soldiers, war is war. And, why is that only the Americans have to honor the Geneva agreement, no one else does. INjure the enemy and make there friends drag them home. Don’t kill them. The only problem is that they get well and try it again.
War is War! There isn’t anything sane or good about it.
Congress people, if you never been in, then shut up.
YOU REALLY THINK IF BECAUSE OF OIL ALONG ? HOW ABOUT 9-11-2001.ARE YOU THAT STUPID YOU FORGOT THAT.. SHIT FOR BRAIN.. YOU FORGET HOW THEY INVADED THIS COUNTRY.. A RATHER BE THERE FIGHTING THERE THEN HERE IN MY COUNTRY. WATCHING THOSE SACK OF OF SHIT KILLING MY FOLLOW AMERICAN PEOPLE OR DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY THE WAY THERE DOING IN THERE OWN RAT HELL HOLE ..THEY PUT THEMSELF IN THAT POSITION. WE DIDN’T GO THERE AND BLOW -UP ANY TWIN SAND CASTLE WITH PEOPLE IN THEM.. THINK ABOUT THAT .. THEY STARTED THE FIRE ,AND ALL WE DOING IS PUTTING THE FIRE OFF SLOWLY ONE BY ONE.BY PISSING ON THEM AS WE CATCH THEM . WHERE DOING OUR SERVES. ONE FIRE AT A TIME… I KNOW ALOT OF AMERICAN FEEL THAT IM ALSO A RATIONAL HUMAN AMERICAN BEING JUST LIKE YOU . DIFFERANT STROKES FOR DIFFERANT FOLKS . SORRY CHARLIE !!!
RATIONAL HUMAN BEING MY ASS WHO GIVES A DAMN WHAT THE TALIBAN THINKS OR DOES THEY SURE DONT JUST TAKE THEM OUT AS FAST AS YOU CAN
I say if they do anything to these guys they should lightly tap them on the hand for the cameras and then leave them the hell alone.
What the Marines did was no at all appropriate. The Marines should be punished in accordance to the UCMJ or other military laws. If foreign troops did that to our military people that were killed in action we would want them to be punished as well.
Yes we would, but we would not get any satisfaction, the other side does not care and never will. They were wrong but things are done in war we regret later and have to live with for the rest of our lives. Art. 15 and be done with it.
OH PLEASE, THE BARBARIANS IN AFGHANISTAN HAVE DONE MORE THAN THAT TO OUR TROOPS. YOU ARE A GUTLESS WONDER. DID YOU EVER SERVE IN THE MILITARY? I AM THE DAUGHTER OF A RETIRED ARMY 1ST SARGENT WHO SERVERD IN KOREA, AND WW 2. HE WAS GIVEN SEVERAL MEDALS, 3 BRONZE STARS, AND 2 SILVER. HE NEVER SPOKE HIS EXPERIENCES OVER THERE. AND WHEN ASKED GAVE VERY BRIEF ANSWERS. I DON’T USUALLY TALK ABOUT THIS,BUT I HAD TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING SO ABSURD.
Some nightmares are better buried, but never forgotten. Thanks for his service and you for sticking up for him. My Dad served in WWII,
There is nothing moral about war, never has been, never will be!
their are manny things that happen in war this is not new. what they did wrong was post it for everyone to see. 0331 Marine Vietnam 1965
Yep, that is what I said to myself when I saw it online
I was also a Marine 0331 in 65.. M/3/3 There was a lot more things done in Nam… I have never talked about them and never will but only because idiots like the one on here do not know what this kind of stress is….. but then they do not understand PTSD either
its seems to me that no matter what conflict the USA gets involved with its always our brave young men and women that are called to the carpet on their actions,the opposing forces are never held responsible for any of their action though–definatly a double stand
AND FOR ALL YOU CLOWNS THAT HOLD OFFICE IN WASHINGTON UNLESS YOU WALKED IN THEIR SHOES DONT EVEN TRY TO JUDGE THEM BECAUSE U HAVE NO CLUE ——SEMPER FI
SO THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO “PUNISH THESE MARINES WHO ARE PUTTING THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE FOR THEM. THIS IS SO INCREDIABLY FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, STUPID. WAR IS HELL, IT’S TIME TO GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON THE SOMETHNG THAT REALLY MATTERS. GOD BLESS ALL OF OUR TROOPS WHO HAVE THE GUTS TO PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE FOR US.
Kenny could’nt have said it better,Thak you very much.
If I was there I might even shit on them ware is hell, what should they do? Kiss them? they killed their Buddy’s in combat that has a tendency to piss them off!!!!
Right on time,,,So let me understand this???? It was O.K. for the Taliban to shoot, three troops and Civilian contractors, BeHead them, hang them ( the U.S.Soldiers and Civilian ) from a bridge and continut to hit, slap,kick,and even to shoot bullits into there DEAD bodies…So to The U.S.Goverment this was O.K.. Now the Talaban wants an apoligie, B/S..The Troops on the ground are there for one thing, Shoot to Kill and SURVIVE the best they can,,,War is Hell but Combat is a M ****R F ****R..Been there…
HOORA
SEMPER FI
Your sentiment has been voiced in every conflict since I can remember. At what point would you say enough is enough. Or do you believe that all is fair in war?
Darkwater, I take your point. But these combatants were DEAD already, not tortured, and not mutilated. Wherever that bright line is that is too far in war, too unfair, this urination just doesn’t cross it for me. Think about CONTEXT… In the heat of battle when you have lost fellow soldiers to these types of enemies -enemies who are notorious for their viciousness against our troops and our civilians, mutilating us while we still live, and filming it…
Washington! Congressman! Really??? What the hell do they KNOW!?!? To them war is sweet, loving, and it’s a walk throu the park. As long as they do not have to do the walking..I’m a Vietnam Vet and if I remember correctly, the RVN were doing that and much more to the America Soldiers. Where were this people when we needed them to open their stupid mouths? But who can blame them! All they know is how to sit in DC and get millions of dollars and try to take away our American money which the people so rightly deserve.
SACKED IT TO THEM BABY ! TELL IT LIKE IT IS… ALL THEY GOOD FOR IS TALK SHIT AND FOOL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE . THIS COUNTRY GOING BACKWARDS INSTEAD OF FORWARD. THEY DOG OUR TROOPSWHO’S KEEPING THIS COUNTRY SAFE AND THEY TURN THERE BACK ON THOSE MAN AND WOMAN GIVING THERE LIFE FOR OUR COMFORT HERE.. THOSE U.S GOVERMENT OFFICIAL WE PUT IN OFFICE . KNOW THE STUFF OUR TROPS GO THRU. THOSE OTHER COUNTRY DON’T GIVE A S@#$ ABOUT THE GENEVA CONVENTION . THOSE PEOPLE ARE SO FREAKEN STUPID THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS . AND EVEN IF THEY DID KNOW.. THEY DON’T CARE.. MOST AMERICA DON’T WANT TO BE THERE ANYWAY . WE SHOULD TAKE CARE OF OUR PROBLEM HERE ( U.S.A ) THEN MAYBE WORRY ABOUT THEM LATER. OUR GOVERMENT CAN’T CAN’T TAKE CARE OF THIS COUNTRY CRISIS , AND WHERE WORRYED ABOUT SOME OTHER COUNTRY..
Let me ask what if you’re the freedom fighter brother gets killed by a soldier and pissed on the face and was justified because they’re fighting for freedom and democracy and during the war they had gone through so much stretch. I am a infantry combat veteran myself, and no matter how much stretch I had I have never done such a stupid thing that would incite even the peaceful people against the next soldier going down to the country. Go to hell with you uncivilized democracy and abuse. FUCK YOU!! I FIGHT FOR THE FREEDOM THE RIGHT WAY, NOT THE WRONG AND HARD WAY!!
The right way would have been to disembowel them and sever their heads. They killed how many in the twin towers…the romans would put the severed head on posts and leave them on the roads to remind the rest what would happen to them. Dont go saying this is a disgrace…its light duty…next time posts.
YOUR A TRADER TO THIS COUNTRY.. YOUR A A-HOLE IN MY VIEW.. WHAT DO YOU THINK, THAT OUR GOVERMENT PLAYS CLEAN BEHIND CLOSE DOORS .FOR EXAMPLE THE ” C.I.A ” YOUR SO FREANKEN STUPID . YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE. DIP SHIT !!! SEMPLE FI…… SHIT FOR BRAINS , YOUR LOWER THEN WHALE SHIT……. I DON’T EVEN THINK YOU EVEN SERVE IN THE GIRL SCOOT . THEY EVEN GOT MORE B—S THEN YOU… LMAO .. THAT’S RIGHT I’M LAUGHING IN YOUR FACE ON BEHAVE OF THOSE AMERICA MAN N WOMAN WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW UNLIKE YOURS . BUT MORE LIKE MY VIEW.. HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOUR SOON DIP-SHIT…………. I LOVE MY COUNTRY . YOUR DAD MUST OF HAD A HALF OF NUT WHEN HE…. LET ME STOP. ENOUGH SAID !!
IM WITH YOU 1000 %. MY RESPECT -N- HONOR AS A MARINE BROTHER MYSELF GO OUT TO YOU . IM WITH YOU ALL THE WAY , DO OR DIE.. SOME PEOPLE JUST DON’T GET IT OR THEY HATE THE MARINE CORP , BUT GOD CHOOSE ONLY A FEW OF US TO WALK IN THOSE BOOTS. SEMPER FI……. REGARDLESS OF OUR COLOR ,RACE. WE NEVER TURN OUR BACK ON A FOLLOW MARINE BROTHER YOUNG OR OLD . THAT’SWHAT I LOVE ABOUT OR CORP.. OH YEAH !!!!!!!
SEMPER FI
I have to agree! It’s always the USA have to mind there P’s and Q’s. But when it comes to the opposition they can do anything they want just because it’s foreign soil. How many cheeks do we have to turn before justice is served for our solider’s that have been killed and mock and display on there soil. You see the torment they inflict on our military and we are suppose to look away. You tell me who’s right…..We walk on egg shells to please others, that is why they do what they do to us. If we fought like they did, they would surely be scared of us.
SEMPER FI!
Flyboy…you’re an idiot. UCMJ…have you heard of it. What they did was a crime and need to be punished and if all you gathered out of that whole post was what Obama had to say, I fear for our country because there are millions more where your dumb ass comes from.
YOU are a moron
Old Navy,
Ever been off the boat? My Dad was in the Navy. And, never got on land, but suffered for a mine sweeper hitting a mine next to them, and exploding. He got hit by shrapnel, and looked around and seen others dying, so he stopped worrying about himself and took care of business. But, suffered for the rest of his life for it. Ever wanted to be able to play ball with your Dad? I never did. He was working all his life to keep us in food and everything. My parents went to the military after he retired and asked about getting compensation, and got told it would take him a lot of years to get it. So, they stopped trying, because most of the soldiers are dead already. And, now my Dad died over 7 years ago. Always had a bad back, from the shrapnel. This is why, we are fighting for our compensation claim against the military. It’s the principal of the thing. We may not win, but will keep trying. We have buddy letters from former soldiers. Then, someome quoted that I should of had them notorized. REALLY??? I was injured and they didn’t take care of me properly. You don’t lock someone into barracks buildings, and all they give you is crutches, with both sprained ankels. Where you can’t walk at all, without screaming in pain. And, it takes you about 45 minutes to slide to the latrine. Everytime you touch the floor with your heels, the pain shoots up to the knees and farther. I suffered with shock, and was left alone. No pain killers that night. Got through the night with praying, yelling, screaming, crying. Sounds like hell on earth to me. And, it felt like it too. Didn’t have any morphine to help ease the pain either. My fellow soldiers finally came in the next day, and after three days, I went back upstairs, to my regular bunk. Had issues with another soldier that was treating others around him badly. And, I wasn’t his brother. But, I’m not racial. Just don’t like certain people very much and how they treat their elders.
And, still say Ma’am and Sir to others that I meet, in person and over the phone.
Some soldiers make mistakes in the moment, then later regret it. But, how do you say sorry for stupid mistake. Maybe the cooler for a few days. They might like the extra sleep, they can’t get out in the front lines. The fly boys came in handy if you ever wanted to get out of sticky situations is what I read in my books. But, everyone that ever served or is serving. We can’t get along without you. Everyone has a part of the body of the United States of America.
Black Knights HHC 2/5 CAV 1CD 1984-1989, peacetime, Active Army
they dont publish what they do to our soldiers i dont feel they should be punnished its war just like street fighting anything goes im proud of soldiers
Piss on them while they’re alive and then shoot them. Problem solved going forward. Since when has anyone in the Middle East that we’re fighting followed the laws of war. If they don’t neither should our troops. Quit trying to be nice!! That’s why these things drag on and on.
All you people that never were in combat should keep your Fin Mouths Shut
Dear Sir,
I’ve never been in combat. But, did enough training to know that I’d prefer never to go to war. Combat is hell on earth. You might do things you never thought you would do in civilian life. But, you make dumb decisions, sometimes. But, at least they allowed them to keep their heads attached to the bodies. The taliban has changed some of our soldiers bodies, and our President didn’t get fired up, like he’s done with this issue. If, I was President? Don’t know rightly, but it wouldn’t be good for the enemy. IF, we knew where they were. They wouldn’t be alive after that. Just had a thought, maybe these Marines did this to find out if the enemy was playing possum, and no soldiers is going to let anyone piss in their bodies.
Just, maybe, they were following some bad orders. But, if they did this and the enemy jumped up. What would be the outcry then? So, everyone, needs to really think about the motives. And, what is the motives for the taker of the video? Propagana for the enemy, or our media that doesn’t always get the whole truth. Just enought to allow the enemy to get their feelings hurt. IT’s war, isn’t it?
I was taught in the service, if you are hit with mustard gas to have someone urine in your eyes, maybe they thought they bhad been hit with mustard gas, better safe than sorry
They did something that is unbecoming of themselves, the corps and their country. Regardless of what others have done to our servicemen and women, we are Americans and we are supposed to be above these things. Otherwise we lower ourselves to the level of our enemies. Is it the worst thing ever done on the planet? No. Should it have happened? No. Should these marines get the death penalty? Definitely not. Was it a moment of poor judgment? Absolutely!
I care for soldiers in my job, and while I personally would not have “urinated” on the Taliban, I do know that WAR is WAR and if the shoe was on the other foot, the Taliban would have and have done worse to the US soldiers and posted it on the internet. There are so many soldiers that come home with severe PTSD and when they share just a bit of the terrible things that they have seen, I can probably have just a bit of understanding of this action.
Soldiers are under extreme stress, they see their buddies blown up and torn to pieces. Opinions on how they would handle the situation are just that opinions. No one is saying it was the smart thing to do, or the right thing to do..but it was done. These guys and gals have been doing back to back deployments with no time to reduce their stress level before they are sent back. Casting stones is not the right approach …training under stress and managment of that stress is a better way to go. I would like to see the people casting stones and asking for blood do what they do …to give us our freedoms… and last without making mistakes along the way…Try walking in someone else’s shoes….I am sure you would be jumping out of those shoes before blinking your eyes…Semper Fi Marines….Be strong …Ignore the ignorant..
As LTC West said, if you have never been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth.
I stand behind the Marines all the way and they should not be punished for anything.Semper Fi Our country trains them and sends them to a different country to suffer what ever that we do not know about and may never hear.So what they had to relieve them selves and no telling how many of our boys that never came home got worse.
They should have opened their mouths and filled them up. For all I care they can crap in their faces.
Really I would have done worst!
You can tell Perry has no background in the military as a Court Martial is a criminal trial where the offense can be considered a felony depending on the type of court martial these kids need to go to. If the Corps doesnt court martial these individuals but only an office hours or similar punishment then the Corps has lost all of its gains from previous conflicts where out troops served galantly and with honor while kicking the enemies butts. The Corps is not what these kids did but a proud group of Marines who serve their country with honor and dignity
I agree this probably should not have happened but they’re kids.
All these men realize is the deplorables that the Taliban did to us.
Was the Taliban following the Geneva Convention “No I don’t believe so”.
just look what the taliban has done to our soldiers , they didn’t get horse whipped about what they have done , those bleeding heart liberals should be put on the front line , and see what real life is all about , it’s more than playing dollhouse it’ s the real deal over there , i didn’t agree with what they did but at the same time the taiban are laughing their heads off at how ignorant our leaders are
As a person, I think urinating on cadavers is kind of uncalled for. Whenever you’re going against an opposing force your own actions cannot reflect anything but honorable in any way. As the wife of a former U.S. Marine, I say, OORAH!! Marines were not trained to be sensitive, caring, or humane. They were trained to kill, dismember, and maim. So if you want someone over there who is going to respect the dead enemy you might wanna send preists, but good luck getting anywhere with that.
Just a thought, maybe we should allow the people that talk against the Military, to be honored to walk the front lines. Then, we wouldn’t have anyone worrying about what’s going on over there. But, your right, urinating on another soldier isn’t right. But, someone said about going back to back deployments, the stress levels are going to hit the roof. Why, not just bring everyone home. But, you have people getting PTSD, but lack of military help. Because, your taught to kill or be killed. Then, your taught to have respect and stop doing what your taught when you get back stateside. It’s just not that easy turning off the mind that’s at full speed ahead. I’ve spent 21 years in the military, in three different branches. And, still think war is stupid. In Vietnam is all about making some politician rich or richer. Wasn’t it? That’s what I get from the books I read. Supposely these were written from soldiers that where on the ground. I’m retired now, but all we can do for them is pray for them to have the strength to get up each day.
we all are fast to tell everyone the bad that goes on over there , but but what about all the good we have done to … and what about all the people thats been blown up by chicken shit car bombs ? u all need to get your but in gear tell some of the good to, because a couple soldiers does wrong doesnt change the fact we still there and we still got a job there
President Barack Obama agreed with Defense Secretary Leon Panetta’s comments, where he called the Internet video “deplorable” and “reprehensible.” That may be but…
Unless the Afghani government publicly recognizes the Taliban fighters as being their official military, I do not believe the Geneva Convention applies.
Piss on the taliban!
Why aren’t they going after the one who took the picture and released it to the public??!!!!!
I guess it is a good thing that the CEO’s of BOA, Fannie Mae, AIG and the Lehman Brothers are not Marines. They might be more publicly scrutinized or held accountable for their actions and the loss of a few trillion dollars. This is a red herring…
So you think the enemy would have waited until our troops were dead to pee or them, or worse?
Leave those Marines alone!!! Ive been where they are alot worse happens! If the Taliban could get their hands on one of our bodies yall already know what that would be like!!!
i say give them a repromand but dont charge them as criminals.
Whats the problem? Peeing on scum, dead at that, so what. The Talibutts would do the same and worse. Remember they were the ones wearing women’s clothing to escape, yet they have no regard for women’s rights or lives. So I say piss on them and the camel they rode in on. USN ret
What about the terroists who beheaded Americans on TV? Did they condone that? What about Americans corpses they hung from bridges, descreating their bodies? Have we forgotten so soon? How about the arabs who are not terrorists and are nor speaking out against those acts against humanity? Where are the criminal acts brought about by their beheading Americans and other foreigners? Is this a one way street? Come on–stick up for our soldiers who have been through hell and back with these terrorists who show them no mercy or compassion!
service men never get a break ,some of the thi9ngs they see just tear them up and they do thinds they shouldn,t, but you should see the things the enemy does I know i beenn there for 25 months its the people that havent that are always raising heck about it but you don,t see them going and and putting in there time but they are the first to want you to go in
Something many of you who are commenting seem to be forgetting. Do we not hold ourselves to a higher standard than those of the taliban or do we consider ourselves to be at their level? Ya they have done horrible things to our troops and to everyday citizens of the world over, but dont let us bring ourselves down to their level. I served 10 years in the Corps and I would never have done anything like this nor would any of the men and women I served with. This is a stain on the Corps honor by these individuals and they do need to be held accountable for their actions. War is hell but does not allow us to forgive actions as deplorable as this. Vietnam they cut off ears and more. Indian Wars both sides took scalps. But this is not then. This is now. Keep our standards high as we have the greatest nation the world has yet to ever see
Spdy2 wrote some of the most intelligent and thoughtful words of the 100+ previous diatribes — many of which evidence why, around the globe, America is losing its image of wearing the White Hat and platform of moral superiority. It appears that some of the uneducated and unsophisticated termagant harridans above (who may or may not have served in the military) suggest that it’s OK for the world to perceive Americans as uncivilized barbarian bullies without honor or decency or knowing right from wrong. We should tie the bodies of dead enemy combatants to the back of a vehicle and drag their headless corpses through towns. Let’s stage it for TV cameras so that our proud parents can point and say, “That’s my Johnny!” Yeah, right! So what if our government signed the Geneva Conventions? It’s OK if we deserve the reputation of our word doesn’t mean anything. Prove to the world that we don’t have any honor — right?
Respectfully, I don’t agree with those of you who claim it’s OK to disobey Orders, disregard the Uniform Code of Military Justice, bring dishonor to the Corps and endanger the lives of your fellow Marines (as surely the dishonorable actions under discussion will). You remind me of when I was five years old saying, “he started it.”
P.S. I served 13 years and was a Mustang — enlisted then became an officer.
My issue with you, It’s what is inside of a soldier, that tells others what we are or were back in our lives.
The dragging of beheaded soldiers was about taliban doing this to our Brave Soldiers, not the American’s. We wouldn’t do that, would we? Our soldiers on the ground wouldn’t ever make it home.
We need to stop doing the national enquirer, until we know the whole story. But, we never will. Everything we do in country, we are wrong. Everything that the enemy does is correct, because, we invaded their country. Well, if they feel this way, let us come home. That’s why I believe one of our candidates has it correct. Bring everyone home, stop paying for all these other countries to live, and take care of our own people.
We need to cut spending, but NEVER in our military. That’s why we call it, DEFENCE of our lives. Or, how about stop charging the military for a $10 for a bolt, when you can buy the same thing for $3. Even a grade 8, type of bolt. Or a $50 wash pan, and you order a doz. instead of each. YOu see, I’ve been in service and learned about unit of issue. There is a difference from EA and HD. One is one item and the other is 100 items. If you only need one, why order more that can’t be returned?
Someone did catch the item ordered for a aircraft carrier. They wanted HD, and they thought it was stating Heavy Duty. Do to, language barrier at the time. Forms are to be read, just like looking at a photo and knowing the complete in’s and out’s of what soldiers are thinking, when caught doing something other’s would frown about.
HOW CAN THEY CHARGE THEM?! DOESNT THE GENEVA CONVENTION ONLY APPLY TO A WAR TIME SITUATION? LAST THING OUT OF WASHINGTON WAS WE ARE NOT AT WAR, WE ARE MORE OR LESS JUST DOING FOLLOW UP FROM THE WAR. I MAY BE WRONG, BUT…
ALSO, GET IT RIGHT! REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY DID, THEY ARE NOT KIDS, THEY ARE MARINES DAMMITT!!!
Not that I’m defending their actions, But considering what the Taliban have done to us is much worse. Do they abide by the Geneva Convention? How many heads have they decapitated? What is their version of USMJ? So when a couple of our soldiers do something stupid that they know would bring a negative response, these people have the audacity to say that we are the barbarians. These soldiers should be reprimanded, but not in a way that will affect their careers. The real mistake I see is why would a fellow soldier record something like this. What was he thinking?
we always hear about the dumb stuff that happens but never the good things that our men and women accomplish. i really get tired of these idiots in washington that would look at an m16 ask which end does the bullet come out. they don’t know what these kids are going thru over there and never served a day in uniform.
IT IS TIME WE STOPPED WORRYING ABOUT “POLITICALLY CORRECT BEHAVIOR” BY COMBAT TROOPS. OUR SO CALLED “COMMANDER IN CHIEF” HASN’T THE SLIGHTEST IDEA WHAT TO DO IN ANY COMBAT SITUATION TO BEGIN WITH. HOW CAN HE BE EXPECTED TO COMMAND THE MILITARY COMPLEX. THE TROOPS ARE TOLD TO FIGHT ACCORDING TO ONE RULE BOOK BUT THE ENEMY THROWS THE RULE BOOKS AWAY. PAUL HARVEY HAS BEEN CREDITED WITH SAYING, “TWO THINGS SHOULD BE SO TERRIBLE THAT NO ONE WHO EVER PARTICIPATED IN THEM WOULD EVER DO IT AGAIN. WAR AND HIGH SECURITY PRISONS SHOULD BE HELL ON EARTH. PAUL HARVEY HAD MORE BRAINS IN HIS LITTLE FINGER THAN 90% OF THE PEOPLE RUNNING OUR GOVERNMENT TODAY. HARRY TRUMAN HAD GUTS ENOUGH TO TAKE THAT “HELL” TO THE JAPANESE. THEY GOT THE MESSAGE.
Served 7-years in Army 2 on Soviet border, Hooked on Opium, entire 2- Years. Now numb on Depakote. The White House is worried about piss? How many of these Govt. bigwigs have homosexual sex with their young pages?
The enemy beheads and tortures our captured troops and broadcasts it. The enemy in vietnam tortured and mutilated not only us but any who aided us. We would give shots to villagers and the Vietcong would come and cut all the inoculated arms off every man woman and child. They shot the wounded to pieces to get medics to expose themselves and shot them too. This war is no different,we fight a determined enemy on his home ground where we are the invaders, an area that runs on corruption and tribal ties come first. The blame for most of this should go to a Maj.Dunn, the British officer who divided up Afghanistan, Pakistan etc… in the 19th century geologically not tribally. This created uneven balances of power in religion and government in these British Provinces and hatred of the christian west was renewed. What do you do? Kill them all(drain the sea to catch the fish) or just stay out of it? Don’t start a war you can not win. I am a Vet of the 1/35th Inf and 4/27th Inf 25th ID.
I am a Vietnam vet and the things i saw over there that they did to our soldiers was wrong but no one complained…..what about the things the Taliban did to the people of the World Trade center…..was that right???….i feel what the marines did was far from justifying what they did to us!
I am a combat vet. I am struck by how little people realize how much i had to hate someone to kill them. I will gladly put my 214 from St. Louis up against any so called combat vet who believes war is civil. As long as its civil and makes money for an elite few generals and senators, congressman etc keep it going. I know most Americans do not realize how crazy real war is and i hope they never find out. Better to say your a hero than be one. I have seen what happens to American serviceman dumped in garbage dumps and none of the rich getting paid to honor those dead had anything happen to them? Some soldiers really can not pull back from just being mad and it is strange that their leaders rather than step up and say yeah that was gross will handle it lets Washington tell them how to handle it. Most leaders I have met would not make a pimple on a real soldiers ass. We need leaders who win not look for their next promotion. Remember it was the soldier acting independently that won WW2 not the generals.
Where was the out cry when the taliban drug two marine snipers dead , tied to the back of there truck through town for all to see an cheer ! Where was the out cry when the taliban cut off the head of an american reporter , on tv ! I could go on an on , but why. Leave the military alone and let them fight ! As a vietnam veteran we had a saying back then when some bad happened, We said , ” Don’t mean a thing ” ! We then continued fighting a war that the gutless politicans would not let us win ! ! !
I agree with you. Why wasn’t we putting some hurt on the enemy when they were dragging our brave soldiers bodies? Because, there was probably some american media showing what was being done. How about taking all the media out of the war, and let our troops fight it and win? If they want to go behind the scenes, they go at their own risks, not with soldiers babysitting them. Thanks for setting us straight and if you were ever in the service.
One mistake the young Marines made; instead of pissing on the Taliban, they should have removed the heads first. Then pissed down the cavity leading to the stomach and lungs.
Simper-Fi!!!!!!
Leave these Marines alone!!! How many of our children , mothers and dads have been killed over there. They are there fighting for our freedom to keep American safe!! What happen to this country? Not saying it was a nice thing to do but Please they have done much worst to us!!! So get your ass off that chair you sit in and try going over there for 6 months!!! Fools!!!!. They are Americans did you forget 911 that quick.
Okay, people, dial back the ‘emotions’ several notches and =THINK= about the following:
1. The CiC/Prez is and =must= act and answer all this as what he -is-, a =civilian= =politician=! Regardless of what his -personal- opinions may be, he =must= respond the way he has. You don’t have to like it but there’s the reality; deal with it. [>And please spare me the über-Right-Wing utter Bull-Shit about ‘the Prez hates/disrespects/blah/blah the military’! =That= hypocritical BS is so completely transparent I’m surprised anyone still falls for it.
4. If ‘the troops’ want to do something that will make themselves ‘feel better’, let them do something .. “constructive”. Someone bring along a packet or two of bacon. Then you have the dead bodies laid out, stuff several strips of bacon in their mouths – with a bit hanging out so you can tell what it is – and take pictures of =that=! Then bury them quickly, quietly, and as untraceably(sp?) as possible. They won’t be able to ‘go to Paradise’ -or- collect their 72 virgins .. .. and if word of =this= gets out, two things are guaranteed to happen: a) a shit-storm like you’ve never seen before will come down, from =ALL= sorts of quarters, and b) recruitment for -all- these mouth-foaming groups – Taliban, aQ, etc, etc – will drop through the floorboards!
Other than the above, all I can say is – tomorrow will come no matter you try to do about it, so enjoy today while it’s here.
Tony
(ex-RA19 7** ***, US Army, 1963-66)
you must have been on the same block as Jane Fonda
Marines Urinate on dead enemy……THE POOR Taliban soldiers (?),who ambushed,planted IED’S,SET OFF BOMBS IN CIVILIAN CROWDS WITH WOMEN AND CHILDREN,don’t you just feel sorry for them? Do you want to crucify the Marines for doing their duty?What are they 17,18-20??If they were home and not in the Military,their biggest concern would be ,who do they ask to the High School Prom! If they had beat a homeless person and then urinated on them,then you can jail them.But to do what they were trained for and they survived ,that was their job, and report back to the chain of command. The Young Marines ,error was to take a picture and then post it.Charge them with youthful stupidity,and hopefully they learned their lesson.But to Court Martial them or imprison them,what message are you sending to the new troops or future enlistees? Gen Patton,supposedly said, ” That the job of the American Soldier is not to die for his Country,its to make the other S.O.B. die for his!” They did their job!!! Politicians rant and rave about human dignity! They can’t express a meaningful statement,without it sounding like a re-election campaign.Do they really care ,or is it a ploy to get in front of the camera and spout more Washington B.S. !!! Put their children in the Front Lines, with a weapon in their hands….. an d then their children can report the trauma first hand to them,our soldiers/sailors are going thru. Ask any VETERAN, WHAT THEY SHOULD DO TO THE MARINES ??? Thank You, a retired AMERICAN VETERAN, God Bless all our troops ,here and abroad!!
This is all a complete and utter mess. Since I woke up one morning and saw on my Facebook account, many of my fellow Marines had posted the link to this video. Everyone laughing, joking about how “I would have done the same,” ” this is war man, fuck those guys!” … I started to notice that ALLLLLLL the people who thought it was cool, or that this is what war does to us, were NOT EVER in the military, let alone, in the ELITE MARINES and for that matter in the MARINE INFANTRY. I started thumbing through many other articles online about peoples opinions on this situation and those involved. Again I noticed NO ONE IS ACTUALLY A MARINE and if they are, they are NON INFANTRY and and NEVER WENT TO COMBAT. I don’t judge whether Republicans doing what they to our country daily is wrong or right, because I am not one and don’t know what it is like to fill their shoes. I also do the same with Democrats, the presidents, teachers, cops, PRO athletes, lawyers, hell even the lady at the damn fast food drive through! You know why, BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER BEEN ANY OF THESE! I have NO personal experience being in their shoes, in that job position. So who am I to say service sucks, or the president can’t do his job or this republican did those or that democrat did that.
We raise our youth (in case you all forgot, we were all kids at one point, remember) to respect others, don’t assume things and learn from your mistakes and those around you. We as Americans have the right to make many choices daily, some affect others, some don’t. Why do we have this right? Because people like myself, my fellow Marines and other military branch brothers decided to stand up and fight, defend this country and our CORE beliefs. I am all for that. I am all for what is necessary in this nasty, ridiculous, UNNECESSARY war in IRAQ and AFGHAN. This Vietnam round 2. I am also privy to what is not necessary. What we are TRAINED not to do. This is something we didn’t need to do and those Marines, those ELITE SNIPER MARINES, were not trained to do.
There is a reason people join the Marines. There is a reason there is ONLY 185,000 marines and only 17,000 or so INFANTRY MARINES. in that 17,000, only A FEW 100 have ever earned the title SCOUT SNIPER. We aren’t trained to act out of line, but in order. We are trained to execute orders no matter the cost, but pissing on the dead, is not one of them. We choose to be Marines, to be in this Infantry and not the army, because we want to be the ones who “KILL WITH CLASS”. We don’t wanna be the guards who take juvenile pictures with men who are tied up and in prison. We wanna be the ones who look them in the eyes before we take their lives, gun to gun, fist to fist, toe to toe. We are never trained to ridicule our enemy but teach him lesson, sometimes that lesson is death. I know that when we are deployed overseas, in combat, how hard things can get, how rough your mind can treat you. I am no saint to doing stupid, childish things as a Marine in Iraq, in a combat zone. We do what we do to take our minds off the bad shit we do. We don’t brag about it, because it’s not ok and we know that. We leave it there. We go home and we continue training new marines from boot camp, learning new tactics and getting ready to deploy again.We are trained and able to turn these switches off. To appear normal and stomach what we do for a living. We are better then this, WE ARE THE FEW AND THE PROUD.
So this is my advice, where I stand, where any Marine who truly values the MARINE CORPS values should stand. Should they be punished, Hell YES! This isn’t who Marines are. NO matter what they do to us, our brothers in arms, we take their lives and we don’t EVER drop to their level. We Kill because we are professionals. To anyone who says we are kids, you are wrong, we are young men, worth millions of dollars, carrying billions of dollars in weapons, optics and intel. We, can turn against this entire country and no one could ever stop us. We don’t, because we are here to make sure no one ever hurts you. If you really believe you are entitled to an opinion, do yourself a favor … VOLUNTEER IN A TIME OF WAR FOR THE MARINE INFANTRY. Go to boot camp, if you survive, which you won’t … go to Infantry Training School. Then to the Fleet, to your Unit. Train day in and day out, physically exhausting yourself more than any athlete or warrior has ever known, mentally and physically. Learn to live off the land, learn to have no water, no food, learn to make something out of the nothing we are givin. Go to war, and see what it is like. Do this, all the while, upholding those Elite standards. To know when and what you should do as UNITED STATES MARINE. Conduct yourself as such, no matter the case. Set the example, be the example. Everyone thinks we are crazy, thinks we are unstable. Maybe they are right after seeing this. Maybe we just wanna fit in again. But we won’t, we made that choice, to be better, stronger, faster and elite. We decided to Become UNITED STATES MARINES.
Hahaha and vets wonder why we are the HIGHEST UNEMPLOYED GROUP IN AMERICA!!! Maybe videos like this, and those alike, make people see us as the animals they think we are, instead of the men, the young, courageous men I fought with, and lost to war. Who always had and have my back. THOSE FEW, THOSE PROUD. SEMPER FI DEVIL DOGS …. BAKER 1/7 2ND PLATOON “DIRTY DEUCE”!! OOOHHH RRRAAHHHHH
Thanks for the best opinion I’ve ever read on this site. I was never in combat and can’t offer any opinion about it. But, during my training, figuared out that war was stupid. Since, during this time, that the “enemy” wouldn’t die. Even though you had them driving over the wooden mines set in the road. So, they the “enemy” got upset when our troops jerry rigged some hoffmans together and set it up to stop the “enemy”
Course, we also had the media telling our family’s that no casualties were happening, while we were in training, but we did, I wonder what people would call a Major with a .50 cal bullet through the neck. Except Dead. Or the small jeep that was run over by the M-1. Oops! Things happen.
Or getting left down range, after it was suppose to go “hot” in the next 15 minutes. And, why did we put our lights on? Trying to get out of that area, before we became the target, in a Hemmitt, with 11 pallets, with 6 rounds of .105mm on each of them. Some were taken off, but only had to have one hit and we wouldn’t ever came home. Thanks, to SPC Hardy and his driving. in Fort Irwin, CA. 1984
We came home alive. Still love the Hemmitt. Just got to know how to drive it, correctly. Black Knights! US Army
I couldn’t have said it any better. SEMPER FI. FIRST SGT. OF MARINES (RET) 0369
I dont give a shit about any taliban that that try to kill our servicemembers. When were in a country that dosent go by the geneva convention than we sould suspend those rules for the U.S. The taliban has done the same OR worse to our fallen heros….Pay backs a bitch.
Why don’t you check the history of combat and read up on what our various enemies did to our dead soldiers?
BUT ITS O.K. THOSE TOWEL HEADED CAMEL HUMPING ASSWIPES CAN BEHEAD OUR TROOPS AND now its bad to do something to someone who is already dead …….oooohhhhh bama
Perry called them kids and we shouldnt be sending our kids to fight a war. The military that I served in were MEN AND WOMEN NOT KIDS. And the men and women I served with would be as ashamed of these actions as all Americans should be.
hello kenny 4727 im jack o gilliland jr a veteran of a differnt war & time, i served n the vietnam era,1968-1969.i never did get a welcome hm party ,like the troop!s did now.
im glad we have people like u that under stand the troop!s like i do.also my family is full of veteran!s n the family. we all would do it again, t y kenny job well dod here.
yours truly jack o gilliland jr louisville ky. hope u have agreat day b safe b careful where ever u go later my friend 1/22/12
Jack O. Gilliland Jr. I to served in vietnam before you came along 61-65 I agree whole heartedly with you. I hope they don’t end up suffering like us vietnam people
President’s Bush and Obama and the rest of the Government.
You are here by under arrest by the people of United States. for the murders 4,421 US Military and DoD Civilians. And the 31,921 WIA.
The four Marines that urinated on the scum of the earth… Your free to go…
Of course it looks bad but if you have not been there, as I have not, you have no right to make a judgement. Walk in their shoes first and then you can make a judgement call. Being there does not mean just “in country”. You have to have been in battle, seen friends wounded or killed etc., then you have been there. I have two Marine sons. One has “been there” and another is going in over a week. It would have bothered be to see either of them in that picture but would have thought no less of them. Who am I to judge when I have not seen live taken from a “brother” in uniform.
I have to agree the Marines should have done that before they killed them. As punishment the max should be loss of half pay for a month as a lesson.
Dear John,
Maybe you need to lose half a month pay! War is war. And, why waste urine on someone, unless, they were the ones that just killed your son or daughter or your best friend that is bunking next to you in the rear? I don’t like that video’s can come out of the war, but our troops keep going in and getting killed.
Then, you have others that never been in war or in the service telling others that we need to let gays and lesbians be open with their sexual behavior, because this is their rights. Where is our’s? So, when some military soldiers make a stupid mistake, you tell us that they should lose money? Why? Have you buried anyone lately? I’ve had the honor to help fold the flag over a fallen soldier. And, will never forget it. I’ve served for 21 years. And, yes, it was all in peacetime service. But, even then, you have a private war going on inside your head and heart.
You get up and don’t feel good, do you go to sick call or just grin and bear it?
If you get sick later in the day or in the field, do you tell anyone or go about your day like your perfectly normal?
Your family needs something done that day, and you didn’t ask for leave. Can you go to your SFC and ask for sometime? Or, make an excuse and leave to take care of the family issue? War is war, in combat or peacetime.
I’ve had issue while in, and after I got out. Been in Fort Irwin for 11 rotations.
Been through truck accidents, sand storms, almost getting killed in non-combat missions.
I’m now in combat with the military for compensation for issues that started while serving. If you ever get hurt, while in the service, get your fellow soldiers to write a letter and get it notorized, while your in the field. Otherwise, once you have to file for a disability. IT’s not going to happen. BUT! I was taught to fight, until there isn’t any fight left. And, the fight is still on, and it’s going into 9 years. Waiting to hear by Aug. 2012, then we go to our lawyer to start the ball rolling. We are tired of waiting, for the military to get it right. And, we won’t go away.
Getting the compensation would allow us to make a living off of SSDI. And, we can become an asset to the USA, again. We love to work, but can’t do the work that I use to do. So, we want to open our own kind of help that will work for people going into debt. Not the debt counceling that the military has or even the civilian kind. We tried all of them. It’s the real kind of debt consolidation. Not some prissy information junk. Real deal, options, for anyone wanting to get out from under the bills. Easy, no, but very usable in this economy. You just need to be ready to do it. Sorry, got too winded on different subjects. Don’t take their money, they don’t get enough as it’s. Unless, you been there.
It of course looks bad and I don’t condone it but unless you have been there, which I have not, I have no right to judge it. Being there does not mean just being “in country”. If you have been in battle and seen “brothers” wounded or killed then you have the right to say more. I have two sons who are Marines. One was in Iraq and the other is soon deploying to Afghanistan. It would bother me to seem one of my son’s in the picture but I would think no less of him. It is too easy to slip in a cozy bed at nite and judge someone who just lost a friend he was talking to just a moment before that. We forget who makes it possible for us to sleep safe at nite well they sit on a cold roof top staying awake to watch over us.
Lonewolf is right 100% correct lets see these clowns in office do what they do day in and out and see how they cry:)
As a veteran of the war in which one of it’s defining incedents is known as the Me Lai Massacre I reject the notion that it’s just “boys being boys”. It was stupid beyond a doubt. It was an action in opposition to the rules set down in the Geneva Convention and I think that General Scaparrotti did the lest of what needed to be done. Joyrideing is still grand theft auto.
They cut the head off of our troops on video for the world to see among other things. But this act by these Marines will be played over and over but what the taliban has done will be in the past. USMC LCPL SHELTON
Evrything USA gets avold in it seems likee they just try to kill the soilders out thare fighting for the contry..Its will be the tinyest thing And America Will Get in too it..Oneday i wanna put my line for the country soo ican do whats ritee but i wanna wakee the next day and wanna be the bravest man i was the other day..Make a diffrent in lifee but i’am not going to also fight for a country that cares about thare self.The probaly the congress aint going to care if you die..Like the presdient he aint going to caree..He just going to thank your nothing Even you putting up effort.
All, understand your frustration, especially the Marine Corp. No need to defend these Jarheads, no offense. the Army is just as bad, look at Abu Ghraib. The outcome of these incidents go way above our own understanding and beliefs. Keep in mind, this is a religious war for them. Religious wars never end, look at history. Thats besides the point. All of us Vets need to do a “Discount double check” here. Stop bantering about war is rough, the government this, and the government that. “Fight for freedom, SEMPER FI, da,da,da,da,da… Look we are all on the same team with the same goal. They are fighting a religious war, we are fighting to go home. Marine Corp, Army, Navy, AF, all under one flag, one Country. Do it right or pay the price. This was obviously done wrong. Again, Leadership, Leadership, Leadership is the real issue here. The direct leaders of these guys need relieved from duty and those Soldiers need to be disciplined. No Question. Kick and scream all you want, this will happen and an example will be set. Nothing you or I can do about it, so stop whining!
I always respect your efforts and services for your country USA, and, the WORLD Peace. Just Keep your Dignity, a man of DIGNITY. That ‘s We want, thanks, God bless you. snn,japon, a little reporter. I `m kind of ” A man with honor”, That I want, my family tradition.and, I `d rather be a American than Japaness, If I could. and, Do some good things for USA & JAPAN. Check out my FB, reported ” the Buffalo in the US of 1976″ or ” American Music Map” or ” the Great Fishing Journey Alaska to FUEGO” ETC. from AKITA,JAPAN.
piss on all of them.
As far as I’m concerned “Piss on you if you dont like it.” After you’ve been in the stress of unlogical war because of political stupidity if this is all that happens consider yourself lucky Taliban fuckwads.
What a fool he is.
Before you judge be willing to pick up a rifle and stand post
`let them walk in the boots and they will see how you would want to do allot more than piss on the enemy but yes one should restrain from ill emotion……look what happens when an American is dead and dragged through the streets…………..that’s rite, we Americans are of higher intelligence and are held to a higher expectation of decency………..shit happens and sometimes we loose our cool in stressful situations …………it is war damn it!!! It is not correct behavior for civilized people anyway and is in oxymoron in itself!!!
civilized war ………..is an oxymoron and it is crazy to hear people get all upset because some one does something like piss on a dead enemy, as if pissing on a dead person is the worse thing that could be done….hello…the worse thing that could be done is the killing of another…………the more I learn in life ,the more I realize living together peacefully is a dream…for example …we have people on the same side that cannot see eye to eye so how could we expect opponents too…………….simple said it is all about understanding each other and the conclusion is we all value the same things and then there is still those that just cannot be reached…….fuck-it or fight for it–you decide!?.
I’m a Marine Corps combat vetera of the Vietnam War and I’d like to sum this topic in 3 words…War is hell!
Inhuman is the desciption of everyday life in an Islamic society not our brave soldiers giving their life to save others.
THE GENEVA CONVENTION IS JUST A LICENSES TO KILL…..THE BIGGEST MAJORITY OF THE POLITICIANS DO NOT KNOW WHAT WAR IS ABOUT……IF YOU HAVE NOT WALKED IN A SOLDIER’S SHOES YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING…..JUST LIKE VOTING IF YOU DON’T VOTE YOU DON’T HAVE A SAY SO…..SEMPER FI
I have been to war. I have been to war more than once……When you’re getting shot at daily, sleeping little and eating even less, your stress levels are dangerously high. Add this to your dead friends that you literally watched blow up, have bullets tear through their bodies or parish in another deplorable manner, your anger is now aimed at the enemy.
I do NOT condone urinating on dead bodies, but calling these heros criminals is absolutely wrong and the “suit and tie paper pushers” should not be calling the shots when they have NO idea what war is all about. Put boots to sand and iron to your shoulder, then tell me what is right and wrong.
Any man or woman that has fought for their country deserves the basic rights of any veteran……Not to sit in a prison cell and reflect on a stupid mistake. Yes, reducing rank, perhaps some restriction and other justifiable actions are warranted, but criminal charges are NOT justified.
I hold this same opinion for “collateral damage”. It’s WAR, you morons…….I think we can expect civilian casualties. It’s just so funny how quickly America is to throw her own under the bus. If we were as strict with enemy countries as we are with our own troops, we might just get stuff done.
Docgoodwin you have hit the nail on the head if they would let the personal on the ground do the job they where trained to do and stop babysetting all the news people and every one else we could get the job done and be gone. If it hadn’t been for a good doc in 65 I would have lost my leg our life witch ever came first. thank you for your service just an old 0331 mach gunner from Nam
My name is John Hooker. I’m a former Marine that served with a combat unit (F 2/7) from 3/67 to 3/68 in Vietnam. On 3/27/68, I was injured as a result of “friendly fire” (believe me, there’s nothing “friendly” about it at all). From the time of my injuries in 3/68 to 10/71, I was hospitalized. The 3 1/2 years I spent in the hospital, I underwent 35 operations. I consider myself very fortunate and very blessed. I don’t feel I was lucky, instead I’m convinced God was watching over me. In regards to the Marines that urinated on the dead bodies…War is hell!! I would lay odds that the ones who want those Marines prosecuted not only didn’t serve but know absolutely nothing about what war is like!
I don’t agree with desecrating dead enemy terrorists. They chop off limbs and heads when they get
ours alive!
I concur, walk a year in their boots nad carry their gear for that year, whern you do that, you are entitled to give an opinion as to what goes on during war.
the FEW have given everything so you 1% can make more laws to suppress the 99% and make yourselves exempt! SEMPER FI!MOTHERFUCKERS Piss goes both ways!
Exactly what part of the Uniform Code of Military Conduct did this violate? These were dead combatants who’d recently killed American soldiers. This “news event” would never have amounted to a conversation topic in previous wars. This is a non story. Dig a little deeper and get some context.